Too good of an opportunity to pass up......
....but we also will update you on Big Brother...... :)
One quick thought.....will Obama Girl get to ask a question? :)
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I don't care much for Brian Williams. He reminds me (and it certainly may not be true) of the guy who is pretty sure he knows a little more than you do.
Tim Russert is fine by me.
904pm-----Clinton camp yells, "The press did it again!!" They showed two of the faces of Hillary.
905pm-----First use of "15 million people left out of health insurance"....
906pm-----"....so far as I know....." She doesn't know yet if the Obama picture came from her camp?
907pm-----Obama's first comments: negative mailings about "15 million people". Is this our drinking game mantra tonight?
908pm-----"force them to have it...." Those without health care? Force them? Want to hear Hillary's response.....
909pm-----"Senator Clinton....her campaign that is.....", separating her just a bit from the mailings. Obama trying to go both ways here?
910pm-----"Do what is right", Clinton says regarding having health care for everyone. Clinton uses "insurance" first; good move by her. Everyone hates their health insurance people! Unless they work there. :)
"Achieve Universal Health Care"? Party represented this since Harry Truman? Who are the "independents" who have studied her plan?
912pm-----Obama I do, she says I don't. Obama pulls out a Clinton Secretary of Labor who approves his plan as better financially.
How does she "enforce a mandate", he asks? Massachusetts imposes fines?
913pm-----Clinton: "This is too important!" No difference in any mandate, she says! Good point, number two. But now she throws in Social Security and Medicare. Shaky move as it proves her plan is nothing more than a government takeover of 15 percent of the nation's GDP.....
"...nearly everybody"?? She really used that term??
915pm-----It's Obama's experts vs. Clinton's experts!! Put 'em in a steel cage!!! Hit the experts with a chair!!!!
Obama strikes a blow. "Clinton's experts say there's not much difference in the plans"....
917pm-----Clinton very aggressive, using the emergency room scenario and young people will die!! Obama's got you covered up to age 25.
918pm-----Brian Williams says 16 minutes is enough on health care.
I HEAR BOOS!!! STUPID MOVE, HILLARY!!!! Whine, whine, whine!! "Why do I always get the first question? Should we ask Senator Obama if he's comfortable?"
Obviously, she is already frustrated that she apparently didn't score the blow she personally hoped for on the health care issue. So now it's, "THE PRESS DOESN'T LIKE ME!!!" Good Lord, what was the question???
Oh, NAFTA!
Hillary says I'm anti-NAFTA (but the 90s??) and we should have a "real debate". Obama returns serve with Hillary's 2004 quote on NAFTA and New York State. He applauds Hillary for her stand now, subtly. Man, he's deft. He brings in the China toys and foreign medicines.
No sweat on his brow yet.....
923pm: Russert to Clinton....oh, lots of quotes from hubby and her. NAFTA gone in six months under Hillary? Be clear! No "gone", we must renegotiate.
She bounces back on splitting the issue by splitting her state geographically.
Russert vs. Clinton II: Apparently Hillary says Russert doesn't read the Cleveland Plain Dealer. This is great! NOW, if Russert would just press Obama the SAME way!!
David Gergen says in the White House, she wasn't happy about NAFTA. But people also say she never threw lamps.
Russert to Obama....renegotiate. "Senator Clinton is right". If that's his heart, then cool. Otherwise, maybe he's not as schooled on this issue. Rest of this answer sounds solid.
Obama Strategy: "If there's no difference between us on an issue, agree, compliment, then discuss your knowledge and solutions".
Russert: Excellent turnaround on Obama with regard to Ohio!! Obama skirts answer, says "I've got a plan". Don't sound like Kerry!!! Weak point for him tonight.
930pm....ALREADY!!
BIG BROTHER UPDATE AT 930pm: Allison is going after Sheila.
Russert to Clinton, again.....is 5 million too exuberant? 5 million new jobs???
You didn't get 200,000 jobs for New York State, you lost 30,000!!
She thought Al Gore would be President. Wonder if there was an asterisk on that comment back then?
Ohio becomes her Green State! No more Red and Blue states??
933pm: She'd never compare us to Germany in a debate in the general campaign!
934pm: Foreign policy question from Williams to Obama regarding Clinton comparing you to Bush 43. How were those comments unfair?
Obama: Experience doesn't equal longevity in Washington. He goes to the Iraq War vote, which is always a killer for Hillary. 12 billion dollars a month sent out when it should be here.
He now goes over Pakistan, telling truth about Musharrf (certainly not our greatest ally!!).....
Hillary? Are we taking a chance with Barack?
"You know, I've been here and there, done this and that.....". NEW strategy on Iraq question. He didn't have to vote in 2002!!! He was just talking!!!
Is this a good move on her "talking only, no results" theme? Good shot, if you ask me. Good move, Hillary!
938pm: Obama said he wanted to bomb Pakistan. His hands come down, but he didn't try to interrupt. Oh dear, back to 80 countries (somebody check her visa!!)....."I can hold my own." Does this mean Obama will wither??
Obama says it's more than words. "It's not I told you so, it's to give you insight as to how I make decisions." "Bus in the ditch....who made the decision to do that? She gave in to George Bush "on Day One". WOW!!!!!
SERIOUS counterpunch by Barack. This is a GREAT exchange, though I have a faint hope that somehow, still, we may still get one exchange without the words "experience and change".
Final sentence by Obama putting Clinton's war vote in McCain's camp until her run for President....serious shot to the gut!
Russert to Obama: Iraq says "GET OUT!" Do you get out, Obama? He says yes, but also meet our security interests.
"Careful getting out as careless as we were getting in." Good line. Bet he didn't come up with it. :)
Russert to Clinton: "GET OUT?" You'd listen? Hillary, "absolutely!"
We interrupt for Russert's do we go back in? As he put it, "...and Iraq goes to hell"...
Hillary "you're hypothetical, Tim!"
Russert: "No, it's reality."
Clinton: "No, this isn't reality."
That'll be a BAD SOUND BITE for Hillary.
945pm: A new left hook from Hillary; if Barack's gonna talk about being on the Armed Services Committee, what about NATO? Why haven't you had any hearings?
946pm: Obama honestly answers about the committee! Good move!
Obama: "I will always reserve the right as President.....we will have to act in the best interests of the American homeland and our interests abroad....make sure we hunt them down."
THAT sounds more Presidential than picking on Tim Russert......
BIG BROTHER UPDATE: Amanda is back from the hospital and she's okay. She learns about Allison, who now returns. :) And they have a heart to heart....
BACK TO CLEVELAND: Ya think Hillary came out late on purpose to get some love??
Hmmm....the "celestial choir" soundbite! Obama: "Sounds good!"
It's a tape aired in error! Really? Obama: "I'll give her points for delivery."
Tell the wounded warriors at Walter Reed Hospital that it's all talk, he says. Obama had this answer ready probably late Sunday afternoon after he saw the soundbite for the first time.
BIG BROTHER UPDATE: The Power of Veto is NOT used! Alex and Amanda or Matt and Natalie say goodbye tomorrow night at eight, seven Central......roll credits.
Back to Hillary! 55 billion dollars back from the special interests! I want to get it back! It's Bush and members of Congress who did this!
Why didn't she work harder the past seven years to save a couple of those billion already?
Clinton is a fighter, will fight for the people of Ohio!!!
OBAMA IS INTERRUPTED!! Good!
Barack FINALLY opens the can on the First Lady experience issue. He doesn't begrudge it. Good move. His theory on taking responsibility and credit during the Bill years is alright, and I agree. But it's minor in the scheme of this election. Normal people who aren't political wonks don't care about it......
RUSSERT talks financing for the campaign. Are you waffling? You checked yes. What's the deal??!!?? Good press by Tim, but not full court like he did to HC.
Obama will sit down with McCain "IF I'm the nominee..."
Russert: You MAY go back on your word?
Russert to HC: ...you refuse to release your tax returns. Your supporter, the Governor of Ohio, said release them to his opponent. Why won't you?
HC: "It's the American people who are funding my campaign, that's obvious!----I will release my returns....", she says maybe before she becomes the nominee, but SHE DOESN'T HAVE TIME right now.....
DOESN'T SHE HAVE A CPA???
What about all your files from the Clinton White House?
HC: "As soon as we can, Tim...."
RUSSERT TO OBAMA: Do you support the endorsement of Louis Farrakhan?
BO: I can't censor him; we are not doing anything with him."
Russert now brings in Obama's pastor, who said Farrakhan "epitomizes greatness". And he pulls a Jewish quote from the pastor, too. Tough question! But it's religion, but that's no longer off limits in Presidential elections.
Obama has support from Jews, says he wants to restore a historic tradition between the African-American community and the Jewish community. He goes into that history, which I only recently learned on a PBS Special that had nothing to do with either candidate.
That is a GREAT answer.
Hillary wants to add something. I rejected the Independence Party in 2000 for being anti-Jew. That's excellent. But she thought it was a risk? That's stretching it a little. She had hardly any opposition in 2000 or 2006.
Obama: "I'll concede the point and reject and renounce." He follows up HC's real reason for her comments, that she rejects the wackos, but Barack wouldn't. He answered with the above. Wow! Someone concedes a point!
She's still going to be mad that his doing that will work to his advantage. Her saying, "That's good" or whatever she said quickly is inconsequential, but maybe does show she was all about "winning the point". I'm sure Farrakhan was near the top of her talking points memo to make sure Obama had to answer to it.
Going on 10:20pm ET.......final questions? Let's see where they go.
WILLIAMS: "How can you run with a more liberal record than Ted Kennedy?"
Barack goes first to comparing the grades given by National Review to him and Hillary, ignoring the Kennedy comparison. His "ethics package" is not "liberal", he says. "The categories don't make sense!" Obama shrugs off the "labels" and says voters are looking at issues, not "you're liberal", or "you're conservative". Decent answer.
RUSSERT: Russia. Tell me about his successor.
HC first. "He's a hand-picked successor." General answer here....I bet Obama's may have been even more "general" had he gotten it first.
Can't pronounce the name. Most of us can't. Obama coattails on Hillary's answer (see, I told you so!), then brings out some Bush/Putin discussion.
RUSSERT: Russia sends troops to retake Kosovo. What does President Obama do?
"We work with international community that also recognizes Kosovo." He also praises the work of the Bill Clinton administration for creating troops/plans to work in these situations.
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Tim Russert: "In your public service, what would you take back?"
HC: Her Iraq vote....then sends the conversation immediately into the public and rattles off a ton of other issues "we could have done another program, Tim." Fragmented sentence, I know.
BO: Teri Schiavo situation circa 2005 when Congress voted to intervene. I didn't stand up on the floor of the Senate and stop it. I'm a lawyer, I knew better." I quote as best I can.
Now, Obama to wax poetic....20 debates, "proud to campaign with her", as he now takes her last comment from last week.
Obama: "They want a hand-up." Whew! And all this time I thought he wanted to hand out, well, "hand-outs"!
WILLIAMS' FINAL QUESTION: What question must HC answer to prove her worthiness?
BO: Lauds her worthiness, launches into McCain and Bush, but WHAT QUESTION WOULD YOU ASK?? Anyway, "why I think I'm better....I can bring people together." He brings a "special bias in opening up government." Interesting quote there.....
WILLIAMS: And what about BO, HC?
HC: She gets one shot at the First Women President, which gets some applause. "Who can actually change the country? My experience, over 35 years....."....you know the rest.
She simply "wants to help". We need a "fighter in the White House".
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Don't forget the Spanish version on David Letterman's favorite channel, TELEMUNDO!!!!
Now the audience responds! Clinton shakes BO's hand, Clinton turns away from Russert, Obama goes to Russert, Russert goes to Clinton. Tim and Hillary should NEVER be a couple in the Big Brother house!!!
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Olbermann: "Field goals, no touchdowns, and field goals won't do it for Hillary Clinton."
Matthews asks what I did, WHY did she go to the "give a pillow to Obama, SNL" crap.
Not sure I wanna comment about those two much more. :) Good 'ol PMSNBC.
ANDREA MITCHELL IS HERE! She loves Hillary! Well, Mrs. Greenspan??
Hmmm....not much from her.
OVER TO CNN........"she seemed to be a little testy", says an Obama supporter. John King? "These two are tired of each other."
He is SO right! Now, excuse John, he needs to work on wedding preparations.
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Tim Russert is being interviewed. He's just speaking truth right now. And I didn't realize that his Russia question was directed at no one.
He grilled Clinton on tax returns and Obama on public financing.
Well, well. Interesting evening. On points, I say Obama wins 15-12 and remains current Democratic Heavyweight Champion.
Who would have thought Hillary's victory in New Hampshire would possibly be her last?
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